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		<title>By: Difference Tubeless Tube Tire &#124; All Wheels Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeridr.com/2009/10/tubed-vs-tubeless/comment-page-1/#comment-3171</link>
		<dc:creator>Difference Tubeless Tube Tire &#124; All Wheels Blog</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Ken Hurd</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeridr.com/2009/10/tubed-vs-tubeless/comment-page-1/#comment-2858</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Hurd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 15:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Jake – though I have found that running sealant has reduced the negative effects of a burping tire... Though merely my subjective opinion, I *think* that sealant helps reduce the amount of air lost during a burp... Of course for a larger burp, you&#039;re pretty much out of luck regardless.

Sadly, other than that, I can offer no insight :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Jake – though I have found that running sealant has reduced the negative effects of a burping tire&#8230; Though merely my subjective opinion, I *think* that sealant helps reduce the amount of air lost during a burp&#8230; Of course for a larger burp, you&#8217;re pretty much out of luck regardless.</p>
<p>Sadly, other than that, I can offer no insight :-(</p>
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		<title>By: JakeC</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeridr.com/2009/10/tubed-vs-tubeless/comment-page-1/#comment-2792</link>
		<dc:creator>JakeC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been running tubeless now for about 8 months and love it. I run it on my Mavic EX823 UST rims and my Stans Flow rims (tape only, no strip).

Though I&#039;d like to hear more about your comments on not running sealant increasing your chances of burping the tire. From my experience, and conversation with the guys at NoTubes, sealant has nothing to do with the seating of the bead and how prone a tire is to burping under pressure or torque. Stan&#039;s suggests running their rim strip even if using a UST rim to imrpove the seal / contact point with the bead of the tire, making it less prone to burping / peeling off the rim.

I&#039;ve found this out from experience after having my rear tire blow off the rim on a 5+ foot drop. Granted, I was not expecting such a big drop, and was running &#039;trail riding&#039; pressure vs downhill pressure, but it prompted me to research further - thus the call to Stan&#039;s.

Anyone else have any experience or knowledge on this topic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been running tubeless now for about 8 months and love it. I run it on my Mavic EX823 UST rims and my Stans Flow rims (tape only, no strip).</p>
<p>Though I&#8217;d like to hear more about your comments on not running sealant increasing your chances of burping the tire. From my experience, and conversation with the guys at NoTubes, sealant has nothing to do with the seating of the bead and how prone a tire is to burping under pressure or torque. Stan&#8217;s suggests running their rim strip even if using a UST rim to imrpove the seal / contact point with the bead of the tire, making it less prone to burping / peeling off the rim.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found this out from experience after having my rear tire blow off the rim on a 5+ foot drop. Granted, I was not expecting such a big drop, and was running &#8216;trail riding&#8217; pressure vs downhill pressure, but it prompted me to research further &#8211; thus the call to Stan&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Anyone else have any experience or knowledge on this topic?</p>
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		<title>By: Mountain Bike Tire Buyers Guide &#124; Zombiebikes.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeridr.com/2009/10/tubed-vs-tubeless/comment-page-1/#comment-2746</link>
		<dc:creator>Mountain Bike Tire Buyers Guide &#124; Zombiebikes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mountain Bike Tire Buyers Guide &#124; Mountain Bike Blog &#124;&#124; SINGLETRACKS.COM</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeridr.com/2009/10/tubed-vs-tubeless/comment-page-1/#comment-2737</link>
		<dc:creator>Mountain Bike Tire Buyers Guide &#124; Mountain Bike Blog &#124;&#124; SINGLETRACKS.COM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There are advantages and disadvantages to running tubeless so we recommend reading discussions like this one to decide which set-up is best for you. Many tires that are not explicitly marketed as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ken Hurd</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeridr.com/2009/10/tubed-vs-tubeless/comment-page-1/#comment-556</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Hurd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam Yeah, in my experience if you want to run the *really* low pressures you&#039;ve gotta stick to the UST tires... There&#039;s a guy in my club who routinely runs sub 20psi... I don&#039;t get it, but it works for him :-S

Good luck regardless what tires you&#039;re runnin&#039; hopefully we&#039;ll see you out at the cross races this weekend!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam Yeah, in my experience if you want to run the *really* low pressures you&#8217;ve gotta stick to the UST tires&#8230; There&#8217;s a guy in my club who routinely runs sub 20psi&#8230; I don&#8217;t get it, but it works for him :-S</p>
<p>Good luck regardless what tires you&#8217;re runnin&#8217; hopefully we&#8217;ll see you out at the cross races this weekend!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to agree with Chris, I have had no problems with tubes what so ever. I only suffered one pinch flat in 2 years. if broke, don&#039;t fix it. the moment I switch to tubeless, well, tire was not holding the air. and once it did, back tire burped air twice in one ride, and my front came off the bead and I almost ended in the river !. I have to admit though, i was running normal tires!. now the tubes are back in my wheels until I need to replace the tires! but i will give it another try. as for ride performance, i prefer tubed just because i can run 25 psi. never was able to run 25 psi in tubeless because of the bead kept coming off in extreme cornering, so i had to run at least 35 psi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to agree with Chris, I have had no problems with tubes what so ever. I only suffered one pinch flat in 2 years. if broke, don&#8217;t fix it. the moment I switch to tubeless, well, tire was not holding the air. and once it did, back tire burped air twice in one ride, and my front came off the bead and I almost ended in the river !. I have to admit though, i was running normal tires!. now the tubes are back in my wheels until I need to replace the tires! but i will give it another try. as for ride performance, i prefer tubed just because i can run 25 psi. never was able to run 25 psi in tubeless because of the bead kept coming off in extreme cornering, so i had to run at least 35 psi.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Hurd</title>
		<link>http://blog.bikeridr.com/2009/10/tubed-vs-tubeless/comment-page-1/#comment-553</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Hurd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris You touch on a few really good points – one, the need to carry an extra tube regardless of which systems you choose, but also the concept of reliability.

It’s interesting to hear your perspective, as I’ve found in my experience (and those around me) to be quite the opposite – Though with that said, I’ve experienced both ends of the spectrum as well.

In the past I’ve run tubed wheels that had gone so long without a puncture that I decided to replace the tube out of fear of the rubber in the tube becoming fatigued... But earlier this year I literally could not go through a ride or two without flatting... I’m sure some of it comes down to the right combination of rim/tube/tire as well.

Personally though I find running a lower pressure handy in loose conditions, or when I&#039;m doing lots of sincere climbing (which seems to be often)... Ultimately I guess running a tubeless system gives me confidence, and even if it’s only a mental benefit, it still helps ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris You touch on a few really good points – one, the need to carry an extra tube regardless of which systems you choose, but also the concept of reliability.</p>
<p>It’s interesting to hear your perspective, as I’ve found in my experience (and those around me) to be quite the opposite – Though with that said, I’ve experienced both ends of the spectrum as well.</p>
<p>In the past I’ve run tubed wheels that had gone so long without a puncture that I decided to replace the tube out of fear of the rubber in the tube becoming fatigued&#8230; But earlier this year I literally could not go through a ride or two without flatting&#8230; I’m sure some of it comes down to the right combination of rim/tube/tire as well.</p>
<p>Personally though I find running a lower pressure handy in loose conditions, or when I&#8217;m doing lots of sincere climbing (which seems to be often)&#8230; Ultimately I guess running a tubeless system gives me confidence, and even if it’s only a mental benefit, it still helps ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hubick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Hubick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this choice depends on what you are optimizing for.

I ride (and race) my bike purely for fun, and I am willing to sacrifice some performance due to the fact that my primary concern, by far, is reliability.  I want a bike that (a) gives me the fewest problems, that (b) any problems I do encounter will have minimal or no impact on my ride, and (c) requires the least amount of maintenance (and by that I mean, _none_).

Frankly, I&#039;m not convinced the size of my tires contact patch with the ground would really account for much overall, at least compared to reliability and, mainly, bike handling skills.

I have seen several people with tubeless flats they claim were from hard side hits on roots knocking the tire/bead off, no thanks.  My tubeless setup needed air every few days - what a PITA.  That sealant hardened into rubber globs, what a mess that was to clean!  If I&#039;m out in the middle of nowhere, I can MacGyver a big puncture hole in a tubed tire with a gel-pack and ride out on a spare tube.

And as far as weight goes, if there is anything on my setup that needs to lose a few hundred (read thousand) grams - it&#039;s my gut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this choice depends on what you are optimizing for.</p>
<p>I ride (and race) my bike purely for fun, and I am willing to sacrifice some performance due to the fact that my primary concern, by far, is reliability.  I want a bike that (a) gives me the fewest problems, that (b) any problems I do encounter will have minimal or no impact on my ride, and (c) requires the least amount of maintenance (and by that I mean, _none_).</p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m not convinced the size of my tires contact patch with the ground would really account for much overall, at least compared to reliability and, mainly, bike handling skills.</p>
<p>I have seen several people with tubeless flats they claim were from hard side hits on roots knocking the tire/bead off, no thanks.  My tubeless setup needed air every few days &#8211; what a PITA.  That sealant hardened into rubber globs, what a mess that was to clean!  If I&#8217;m out in the middle of nowhere, I can MacGyver a big puncture hole in a tubed tire with a gel-pack and ride out on a spare tube.</p>
<p>And as far as weight goes, if there is anything on my setup that needs to lose a few hundred (read thousand) grams &#8211; it&#8217;s my gut.</p>
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		<title>By: paulo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. There will be no resolution to this debate. I have ridden tubeless for quite a while and I do not regret the decision. I don&#039;t swap tires that often since I don&#039;t ride competitively and so this is the opinion of a mostly weekend and vacation  mountain biking aficionado. For me they have been the right choice.
Nice work on this one Dr. Hurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. There will be no resolution to this debate. I have ridden tubeless for quite a while and I do not regret the decision. I don&#8217;t swap tires that often since I don&#8217;t ride competitively and so this is the opinion of a mostly weekend and vacation  mountain biking aficionado. For me they have been the right choice.<br />
Nice work on this one Dr. Hurd.</p>
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